Posted by Michael Zimmet on October 11, 2000 at 10:53:18:
I notice that many shooters at the highest levels of the sport (inc.
the recent Olympic games in Australia) use the Steyr LP1.
I was just wondering what reasons there are for favoring the LP1, over
the LP10?
Please understand -- I'm not knocking the LP1, and I'm perfectly
willing to believe that it does offer advantages over the LP10. I'm
just wondering what they are. Since the two pistols seem quite
similar, with any differences appearing to favor the LP10.
Or is it mostly just a matter of the LP1 having been around a few
years longer than the LP10, so more shooters have LP1's, and the
advantages of the LP10 are sufficiently minor that many of these
shooters don't see any great need to switch to the newer model?
Posted by RML on October 12, 2000 at 14:02:14:
I recently made bought an LP10 after having used the LP1 for about 3 years. It was not a completely successful switch!
I had (as expected) to do a lot of work with the grip, and also replace the trigger (that I did not like). And now, after
a couple of months I am beginning feel that I am having control with the LP10.
Now the only problem is that my finger is touching the trigger guard, so I may have to cut of some of it to make space
for the finger. So I really understand those who do not start using a new pistol in an Olympic season.
RML
Are you sure you have the right size grip if your finger is touching the finger guard ... ?
At a recent shooting clinic a LP1 shooter tried my LP10 and was impressed with the lack of recoil with the LP10. I was surprised at how much recoil I could feel with his LP1 (which was shooting pretty hot). The coach that was giving the clinic, Erich Buljung, head pistol coach for the US team, said that the good thing about the new recoilless pistols is that if there is any movement when you shoot, you know that you are the one introducing that movement! You are probably not being smooth on the trigger release if there is movement. So with no recoil to mask movement, the LP10 does have a advantage there ....
Posted by RML on October 16, 2000 at 13:50:58:
I have the problem with the trigger guard on almost every pistol I have owned or tried.
RML
Posted by Roland Cannon on October 16, 2000 at 15:00:05:
I use the extra large Steyr Grips. My trigger finger is a long ways from the trigger guard on the LP 10. What year did you retire from the NBA, or am I missing something???
Posted by RML on October 16, 2000 at 18:53:43:
No, my hands are not made for basketball (but I have done quite a lot of weightlifting and bodybuilding...). Besides, I live on the other side of the world, which have made it difficult to challenge "Air" Jordan.
Anyway, the reason why I have this problem touching the trigger-guard is that my finger is not completely straight. An since I am using a big grip angle (related to the frame), the tip of my finger is pointing down and touching the guard. I had the same problem on the LP1, the FAS-607 SP, the Pardini SP22 and the Hammerli 160 free pistol! But now I received an e-mail from the Steyr factory confirming that I can remove 10 mm off the trigger guard without damaging the frame.
RML
Posted by Mathieu Lecompte-Boinet on October 12, 2000 at 02:48:41:
After two years of regular shooting with a LP1, I've switched to the LP10 10 months ago. I really enjoy it, but I don't see any increase in my results. The only progress is a better feeling due to the recoil absorber system.
I definitely think that both are very good guns, but if you get good scores with the LP1, don't expect to increase them with the LP10. Thus, why changing ? However, I don't plan to switch back to the LP1 ;-)
Posted by Roland Cannon on October 11, 2000 at 12:49:23:
I had the chance to have both guns in my possession for a few weeks. Sure, they belonged to Scott Pilkington, but nevertheless I was lucky enough to compare them.
The LP10 is the better of the two. I would imagine someone with high technical shooting skills could shoot great scores with either, but everyone (5-6 people) that tried them both liked the LP10 better.
I have also noticed that most of the good shooters I have met are not terribly concerned with what they shoot. Yes, it must be accurate and reliable, but I believe most view the air pistols as a tool. If it is working, why change it. Personally, I enjoy owning (well, me and Visa) the great air pistols as much as shooting them.
Posted by Raymac on October 11, 2000 at 11:57:07:
Your last comment is the correct one. Top level shooters training for the Olympics will not change their pistol at the last moment, they must have a very high level of confidence in their equipment.....something that cannot be generated in a short period of time. The LP10 has some small (but very clear) advantages over the LP1 and I predict that there will be a lot of them make the switch now that there is a breathing period.
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