Target Talk

Steyr LP5 Trigger


Posted by John MacLean on January 31, 2002 at 18:40:24:
I've recently started out in air pistol and have acquired a Steyr LP5 which I am training with. I'm using it mostly to help me with preparing for centrefire pistol and I've purchased the heavy trigger unit as well as the standard one. The trigger on the LP5 seems to have lots of adjustments but I'm not clear on how to do two adjustments or even if they are possible. Firstly, can you adjust the balance between the first and second stages? Secondly, the second stage on both triggers is very "creepy". I'm used to a crisper let off. Can this be adjusted?
Thanks,
John MacLean

Posted by Mark on February 01, 2002 at 00:10:17:
John
Check out the link below. This is info provided by Scott and Warren at Pilkguns (called tenp files) and should explain the adjustment you need.

Posted by Paul on February 01, 2002 at 16:28:09:
If you look at the trigger unit from the front, there are two screws on the right side. The first one is the trigger stop, the second adjusts the overtravel between first and second stage. If you cock the gun and turn the second screw clockwise, the trigger will go off - sometime. Go back from that point until the mag jumps out again when the shot breaks (trial and error, no other way). If you want to train for precision, you can even adjust it as crisp as you want, you just have to cock the gun for every shot. The shorter the overtravel, the lower the weight of the second stage. The "official" weight screw, vertically behind the trigger, adjusts only the first stage, so you can find a balance between first and second by adjusting the overtravel (and with this the 2nd stage weight) and the 1st stage weight. As far as I know, after 3 years of LP5, 1360 gr. is not the best choice of weight with the LP5 trigger. Personally I think that something between 900 and 1000 gr. gives you a much better trigger without diminishing the quality of the training too much, but you'll have to try that out.

Posted by John MacLean on February 02, 2002 at 02:01:01:
Thanks for the advice. I've adjusted the trigger per your directions and it seems much better. I'll try it out tomorrow.
While I'm on this subject, I've got a couple more questions.
First of all, I'm not completely sure of the definitions for the following terms: "takeup", "dead travel" and "overtravel". How would you define them?
Secondly, I like a crisp trigger but do some prefer a creepier let off? I read one of Don Nygords tips and he seemed to suggest that a little creep was necessary to develop an unconscious trigger pull.

Posted by Paul on February 02, 2002 at 10:24:27:
I hope I'm not confusing things here by not adhering to international (english) standards, but in my dictionary, it works like this:
a) takeup: A usually very small movement of the trigger with very little weight, before the first stage. Some guns need this so the sears can engage again after a shot when you release the trigger (f.e. the FAS) b) dead travel: I think this refers to the way the trigger is allowed to make after the shot breaks. It's usually stopped by the trigger stop, although some shooters (including me) prefer a trigger which runs up again an increasing weight without really stopping.
c) overtravel: The way the trigger is allowed to make between first and second stage. A very crisp trigger has minimal overtravel, a rool-over trigger has a very large overtravel. Very little overtravel makes for high pressures on the sears, which is why people who insist on using the crispest, driest possible setup should have at least two complete trigger modules...
Personally, I used to shoot with extremely crisp trigger, but I'm coming away from that now. I seem to shoot better when my unconscious knows that the finger has to move - or the shot will never break (thanks, Warren...) with the supercrisp setup, a sudden increase in pressure is far worse for the outcome of a shot than with a longer overtravel and a softer release, or so I think.

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