Target Talk

Toz35 vs. Toz35M???


Posted by Mark P. on October 10, 2001 at 00:56:44:
What’s the differences between the two?


Posted by blester on October 10, 2001 at 07:34:40:
The barrel.
The 35m is not as tight as the 35. In my opinion the 35m is a little easier to shoot, that is, it doesn't rise as much on recoil.
Rarer than the standard toz-35, the 35m (match) is easy to spot at a distance. The front sight is secured with a band around the barrel (the 35 front sight is mounted directly to the barrel) and the trigger guard on the M is angular. Close up the thing is stamped 35m
I shoot a 35m.
Regards
blester

Posted by Stan on October 10, 2001 at 17:10:48:
Can you explain this in more detail? What are the barrel differences? If the barrels are different, is one considered to be more accurate than the other?

Posted by blester on October 11, 2001 at 08:06:19:
Ok, first let me start out by saying that I'm not an expert on the thing - just relaying my experience.
The guy who helped me get mine recommended the the 35M over the 35. He explained, I think, (in broken english - he is from the former Soviet Union, and has had a lot to do with world class shooting) that the barrel is not as tight as the 35, and demonstrated this by sliding a gauge into the barrel (which got a nod and a "yes, is good"). My understanding is that a larger gauge will fit down the barrel of a 35M.
As I stated in my earlier posting, my 35m seems to rise/move less under recoil than the standard 35s I've shot, though that’s just my judgement, and will naturally be subject to the grips on the other guns... I don't know if the 35m is more or less accurate in a machine rest, though I guess that if something recoils less than it is easier to control, and therefore more accurate when used as a hand gun (ie. not in a rest).
My 35m was made in 1989 and shoots very tight groups in a rest, well below the 17.5mm stated in the manual.
I would hate to mislead any one out there so, to summarize - on advise from a Russian expert, I understand the 35m to be the more desirable gun (though the language thing might have confused my understanding of the reasons).
Cheers
bob lester
adding mud to the waters of enlightment

Posted by wiliam on October 12, 2001 at 23:28:05:
Good, that's the right answer. The 3 noticeable differences are the barrel band, indirect sight mounting and the angular trigger guard on the M version. I think you'll find that they all add up to naught at the target. The Russian word "modernizirovany" translates modernized and is frequently used to indicate an updated design. I believe that is also true in the TOZ-35. I would be surprised if there were a reference to "match" as I can't imagine a non-match free pistol.
Feel free to contact me off-board, and I will share my purchase experience, etc.

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